28 Jun 17, 12:39 AMCree: OH, if anyone took any of RayRens training, let me say it is all false. The IRS does not recognize Complex Trusts as a tax approach and further the reason Ray is or was give the class for training and not doing is that Ray Ren is barred by the IRS and courts from doing any tax work for others... BEWARE.
28 Jun 17, 12:40 AMmel: I used to do a lot of horse rescue.
28 Jun 17, 12:40 AMCree: Well I spent my life working and now when not injured I am hiking in the desert, camping, backpacking and kayaking. And YES there are rivers and lakes in the Arizona Desert....
28 Jun 17, 12:40 AMchattels: @Cree RayRen is a con like his brother and belongs in jail too.
28 Jun 17, 12:40 AMmel: I had horses on my ranch from time to time.
28 Jun 17, 12:42 AMCree: I lead hikes and camping, etc so I guess that is my contribution. I help people to get out and clear their heads. Science says some of the best things we can do is to put down technology and get back to nature. So maybe we can say I am in the health field bringing people peace of mind and harmony....
28 Jun 17, 12:42 AMCree: I was a city slicker up till about 5 years ago.....
28 Jun 17, 12:43 AMCree: I have not been on a horse in over 40 years. I'd probably get on facing the wrong way.....
28 Jun 17, 12:44 AMCree: @chattels The sad part is people still follow him.
28 Jun 17, 12:44 AMchattels: @Cree If this ever happens, there are many who will be guilty of tax evasion because they do not understand tax avoidance.
28 Jun 17, 12:44 AMmel: Ha Ha!!! I rode 7 or 8 a day for close to 20 years.
28 Jun 17, 12:45 AMCree: @chattels I totally agree. you said the magic word. If there is a good point there, you and I will be under the radar as we will do it right and the IRS will focus on the others.
28 Jun 17, 12:46 AMmel: hey guys, what are your tips about IRS?
28 Jun 17, 12:46 AMCree: @chattels Having said that even with all my years of experience, when the time comes, I will hire the best attorneys and accountants rather then rely on what I know. The expression I agree with is an Attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client.... Same goes for taxes....
28 Jun 17, 12:47 AMchattels: @Cree If it is done wrong there will be an accountant and tax lawyer between me and the government.
28 Jun 17, 12:48 AMchattels: @mel Hire the best tax people you can afford.
28 Jun 17, 12:48 AMCree: @mel avoid them if you can.... Seriously, pre-RV there is little you can do to help anyone. other then give out gift letters with the currency. This relieves you of the tax burden and eliminates any double taxation. Best to have a gift letter, prepared, notarized and give pre-RV.
28 Jun 17, 12:49 AMCree: @mel Other then that listen to Chattels and hire the best you can. If you have and corps or trusts or LLC's set up - throw them away. they are probably garbage....
28 Jun 17, 12:50 AMCree: @mel The one thing I plan to do is to not rush. When the RV happens, I will speak to the bankers I know and plan a course of action.
28 Jun 17, 12:50 AMCree: @mel Will the Dinar Float or not?
28 Jun 17, 12:51 AMchattels: @mel I have set up a general partnership under Wyoming law. Interesting vehicle.
28 Jun 17, 12:51 AMCree: @mel I believe that it will be taxed as ordinary income - NOT capital gains. So a question will be how close are we to the Trump Tax reform which would reduce your taxes.
28 Jun 17, 12:51 AMchattels: @Cree Agreed.
28 Jun 17, 12:52 AMCree: @mel If your strapped for cash, maybe cash in a little and hold the rest. OR maybe if you feel it is best, exchange it alll. We all have different plans
28 Jun 17, 12:53 AMCree: @mel Oh and listen to your wife otherwise you will have hell to pay.....
28 Jun 17, 12:53 AMCree: @mel I can say that as I am single....
28 Jun 17, 12:54 AMchattels: @Cree I am a divorce lawyer and do not disagree
28 Jun 17, 12:55 AMmel: I am single. by the way, I'm a female. Ha Ha! Actually my X left to Canada to avoid paying me.
28 Jun 17, 12:56 AMchattels: @mel I hope that " karma " pays him back
28 Jun 17, 12:58 AMCree: @mel OK so we now have the song "A boy named SUE" and a woman named Mel... cool
28 Jun 17, 12:58 AMmel: I should have been getting 6,500 a month. He is a dentist. Sold his practices and moved when the warrant for his arrest got issued. I used to be caught up in the drama... I am not anymore. It just is what it is.
28 Jun 17, 12:58 AMCree: well guys I guess I will call it a night..... Take care
28 Jun 17, 12:59 AMchattels: Well, it is almost 3:00 o'clock a.m. on the eastern edge of America. Enjoyed the camaraderie.
28 Jun 17, 12:59 AMmel: talk to you guys later
28 Jun 17, 12:59 AMchattels: @mel Sweet dreams of revenge.
28 Jun 17, 01:00 AMchattels: @mel A dish served best cold.
28 Jun 17, 01:00 AMmel: Ha Ha
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28 Jun 17, 01:54 AMWen: If, there are other country exchanging....why aren't we flying over to exchange. We can at least bring back 10 grand without declaring.